PMDG 777 para P3D lançado- preparem o bolso

Preparem os bolsos, PMDG lançou o 777 para P3D.

http://www.precisionmanuals.com/


João Alfredo

O preço está o mesmo que paguei no 777-200 e F para FSX, acho que vale cada centavo.

Haja dinheirooooooo

Poxa, nem um descontinho para quem tem a versão fsx. Esse eu terei que pensar.

T777 para P3D - US$ 89,99 com o dólar a R$ 2,78 - Essa aeronave está saindo a R$ 250,00, a partir de 8 de março irá sair por R$ 375,00 (US$ 134,99).

Esse hobby está ficando caro.

Vamos ver quem vai postar as primeiras impressões dele em primeiro lugar, acho que vai ser o Flaviossa.


João Alfredo

Vou não kkkkkkkkkk
Gastei meu dinheiro enchendo o tanque do carro.

JLuis escreveu:T777 para P3D - US$ 89,99 com o dólar a R$ 2,78 - Essa aeronave está saindo a R$ 250,00, a partir de 8 de março irá sair por R$ 375,00 (US$ 134,99).

Esse hobby está ficando caro.

 

Eles estão com o queijo e a faca na mão. São espertinhos demais!!! Só falta não dar desconto para quem já tem a versão FSX.
Realmente... Ainda botam terror com essa data limite.

Sem desconto pra quem já tem a versão do FSX, que palhaçada...

Nunca reclamei de valor de add-on, porém a PMDG passou do limite do bom senso.

Vou fazer igual o Flavio. Vou encher o tanque do meu carro. Aqui tem posto que se você enche o tanque, vem duas mulheres com trajes mínimos trazendo espumante com pisca pisca. Ostentação pura.

Não é mole não, R$250,00/R$3.40=73,52 litros.
Na cidade 698 km, na estrada 845 km, mas estou apenas simulando, não tenho essa grana no momento !!!

João Alfredo

a PMDG é bem esperta.

criou um EULA "proibindo" os usuários de usarem o 777 no P3D.
aí, logo depois criam o 777 P3D !

mas o meu 777 O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. funcionava no P3D numa boa.
"apenas" usei o migration tools !

Não há diferença alguma no 777 que existia e nesse 777 !
nada de diferente !

e nem vi se há desconto pra quem comprou do FSX (ou até um Download grátis, afinal é o mesmo produto)

assim é fácil ganhar dinheiro !

estou inconformado com isso e com o que há por vir ainda.
vão relançar todos os produtos, apenas desbloqueados pro P3D, para ganhar tudo de novo !

e olha que eu tenho windows original, fsx e p3d originais, 777 original e migration tools original.

estou louco ?
comentem amigos.
obrigado.

Fabio_Rj escreveu:a PMDG é bem esperta.

criou um EULA "proibindo" os usuários de usarem o 777 no P3D.
aí, logo depois criam o 777 P3D !

mas o meu 777 O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. funcionava no P3D numa boa.
"apenas" usei o migration tools !

Não há diferença alguma no 777 que existia e nesse 777 !
nada de diferente !

e nem vi se há desconto pra quem comprou do FSX (ou até um Download grátis, afinal é o mesmo produto)

assim é fácil ganhar dinheiro !

estou inconformado com isso e com o que há por vir ainda.
vão relançar todos os produtos, apenas desbloqueados pro P3D, para ganhar tudo de novo !

e olha que eu tenho windows original, fsx e p3d originais, 777 original e migration tools original.

estou louco ?
comentem amigos.
obrigado.

Engraçado, instalei o NGX no P3DV2 e você, Fabio, veio cheio de pedra na mão pra me acertar comentando desse tal de EULA dessa PMDG, e você já tinha feito o mesmo, né??? Realmente...

Juca Bala escreveu:
Engraçado, instalei o NGX no P3DV2 e você, Fabio, veio cheio de pedra na mão pra me acertar comentando desse tal de EULA dessa PMDG, e você já tinha feito o mesmo, né??? Realmente...

mas o 777 agora tem pro P3D , o NGX ainda não.

bem, como nossa intenção não é discutirmos entre nós, o que você acha sinceramente dessa atitude da PMDG ?

abraços

Fabio_Rj escreveu:

Juca Bala escreveu:
Engraçado, instalei o NGX no P3DV2 e você, Fabio, veio cheio de pedra na mão pra me acertar comentando desse tal de EULA dessa PMDG, e você já tinha feito o mesmo, né??? Realmente...

mas o 777 agora tem pro P3D , o NGX ainda não.

bem, como nossa intenção não é discutirmos entre nós, o que você acha sinceramente dessa atitude da PMDG ?

abraços

rsrsrsrs...mas na época que você instalou não existia. Portanto, você TAMBÉM cometeu o mesmo erro e ainda quis tirar onda com a minha cara.
Minha opinião já foi dada antes da sua.

Juca Bala escreveu:
rsrsrsrs...mas na época que você instalou não existia. Portanto, você TAMBÉM cometeu o mesmo erro e ainda quis tirar onda com a minha cara.
Minha opinião já foi dada antes da sua.

Ok

Ainda não tenho o P3D, o rombo será grande.
Mas isso só depois do carnaval, pois no momento os recursos estão escassos.

Segundo o Robert Randazzo da PMDG: ''we are spreading our wings into the training and enterprise arena by pushing development on the P3D platform.  We view this as an entirely separate enterprise than our traditional, entertainment based products in FSX...''

Prepar 3D=treinamento e FSX/FSXSE=entretenimento, ou seja, desculpa para o aumento de preço e a falta de desconto pra quem já tem a versão FSX, não duvido nada que aconteça a mesma coisa em uma possível versão 64 bits.
Eu pelo menos estou de boa pois a grande maioria dos meus voos no P3D são curtos com aeronaves pequenas nas regiões da ORBX e convenhamos que é voando baixo que o P3D mostra a maioria das suas diferenças gráficas em relação ao FSX. Curto muito mais aviação geral, paguei caro na versão do FSX e o máximo que tive paciência pra fazer foi um Londres-Dubai  .

Eduardo escreveu:Segundo o Robert Randazzo da PMDG: ''we are spreading our wings into the training and enterprise arena by pushing development on the P3D platform.  We view this as an entirely separate enterprise than our traditional, entertainment based products in FSX...''

Prepar 3D=treinamento e FSX/FSXSE=entretenimento, ou seja, desculpa para o aumento de preço e a falta de desconto pra quem já tem a versão FSX, não duvido nada que aconteça a mesma coisa em uma possível versão 64 bits.

desculpinha bem esfarrapada essa ... convenhamos ( se discorda , pode falar ! )

é o MESMO produto !

flavioSSA escreveu:Vou não kkkkkkkkkk
Gastei meu dinheiro enchendo o tanque do carro.

Boa como o meu e alcoólico to pensando se vou.

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/461729-08feb15-p3d-pricing-policy-some-facts-on-this-issue/#entry3173088

Captains,

There is quite a bit of misinformation floating around, so if I may please, allow me to correct a few facts. (I am not trying to change anyone's opinion here- but at least be mad at PMDG for factual reasons and not something someone made up. B) ) We occasionally see these moments where a bunch of folks will run off half-cocked with information that they don't even realize is bogus... So let me set some facts out to make sure we are all at least well informed.

When we announced development for P3D 18 months ago, we were very candid about the fact that our P3D products will be significantly more expensive than our FSX products. This is true because we envision P3D as the home for our enterprise and professional products, in keeping with P3D's place in the enterprise market. P3D is a growing, in-development platform that will be constantly changing and evolving to meet the needs of the professional simulation market. With this in mind, it is thus not sufficient for PMDG to finish a product and simply toss it to the marketplace forever. We will need to invest developer time and effort to continually adapt our P3D products to version changes, as well as adding new features as they come available in P3D. This is a different approach than we use in FSX, and it is a different approach

than is used by most other developers whose products are targeted to the entertainment market only. Use of developer time is an opportunity cost, and we must carefully weigh the value of placing a developer on one project as opposed to another. These are economic considerations that must be dealt with because we envision our P3D product line as a constantly evolving, growing, professional development environment. P3D is a professional tool targeted to professional and academic users and our P3D business model moves us in that direction.

Some have expressed concern about forward compatibility with LM version changes. We have already indicated that our current product licensing will carry you through at least v3.x and x64bit conversion, which we anticipate taking place in v3.x... based on publicly available information.) I am unable to predict what will happen beyond this, but at that point we are likely a good 2 years out and we will evaluate what is fair for the marketplace at that time.
Our enterprise and professional products on P3D will have significantly higher license costs ($1,800-$25,000+ based upon what is required) and our enterprise product line will also require the purchase of an annual maintenance contract. This pricing is directly in line with the professional and enterprise software market and deals with the larger issues of certification cost, intellectual property licensing and liability mitigation. Our intial plan for P3D included only these market sectors, but we recognize that there are many non-professional users interested in our products who are using P3D and thus we created a license/pricing bracket to meet the needs of those individuals without dilluting our professional and enterprise market.

Some folks have been upset because they felt that we owed them a discount for purchasing the FSX version. While we can all appreciate that desire for a healthy discount, i should point out that the promotional pricing being offered right now **is** a significant discount from the base list price that will go into effect on 08MAR15. We felt that setting the price to match that paid by FSX users was the most fair way to approach the issue.

Apparently there are some folks who are upset that we should have given a very steep discount- and again- we can appreciate the desire for healthy price savings, but there really is no precedent for it in PMDG's market history. We did not offer a discount for NGX customers who had owned our previous 737 in FS9, for example, and again P3D is an entirely and completely different platform with an entirely different purpose. Some may recall that in 2007 we offered a very short, two week promotional pricing method (almost identical to the one currently being offered, by the way!) for customers who wished to upgrade from our FS9 747 to the FSX 747, but that program had a specific purpose, was unpopular and created very many problems for customers.

To give a different example: Some of you know, Ryan got me hooked on the Battlefield franchise as a way to blow off steam with some of the members of our team. I own Battlefield 4 on the PC... I also own it on the Xbox... I was not offered any promotional pricing even though I own both platforms. This is the reality of the software licensing marketplace. I know some people wish it were otherwise- but at PMDG we live within the reality of it all...

PMDG has always been on the high end of pricing in our marketplace, and we have always required individuals to purchase a new license when moving to a new platform. While some felt that a discount was "owed" and have since accused us of "treating our customers badly" the reality is that we have always provided top tier products, complete-and-unhobbled products that do not require you to cherry pick functionality, and we have always provided continual, live support while also engaging with our customers directly and honestly in our forum. I checked our support system today, and for 2014 our average reply-to time for customers requesting support was < 4:15. We have three employees who's job it is to support customers directly and they do so on issues ranging from Windows to hardware, to FSX, to P3D and all of that is on top of providing support for our own products. In addition to customer support, we strongly support the growth and completeness of our products with multiple free updates, hundreds and sometimes thousands of fixes, corrections and improvements because we care very much to deliver our customers the finest, no-excuses simulation available on the marketplace- and to that end I feel strongly that we succeed in this endeavor.

Speaking of our forum- we have had a number of folks come to the forum to vent their disappointment. We have always allowed this in our forum and we continue to do so. We do set some ground rules, however- and those ground rules have been in place since our first software product release in 1999. We don't allow anyone to be unkind, we don't allow anyone to spread falsehoods, we don't allow anyone to be abusive and we don't allow anyone to troll.

Anyone who comes to the forum or our facebook page who wants to engage other simmers and/or us in factual, calm, respectful conversation is always welcome- even if we don't agree with you and even if your opinion is different than ours. We cannot allow folks who simply wish to vent anger or troll/incite arguments to participate freely however as this diminishes the value of the forum for all others.

In short- I am sorry if our policies on pricing do not make everyone happy. We have communicated them to you candidly for 18+ months- and we will continue to do so. We continue to work on many great things for the simming community in FSX, P3D and Xplane- and we look forward to delivering these things to you!

I hope that helps with the understanding. I'm sorry if some individuals feel that we have not done enough to support them, but we have always appreciated your support- and continue to do so- even if we don't all agree.

Robert S. Randazzo
Precision Manuals Development Group

harmach escreveu:http://forum.avsim.net/topic/461729-08feb15-p3d-pricing-policy-some-facts-on-this-issue/#entry3173088

Captains,

There is quite a bit of misinformation floating around, so if I may please, allow me to correct a few facts.  (I am not trying to change anyone's opinion here- but at least be mad at PMDG for factual reasons and not something someone made up.  B) )  We occasionally see these moments where a bunch of folks will run off half-cocked with information that they don't even realize is bogus...  So let me set some facts out to make sure we are all at least well informed.

When we announced development for P3D 18 months ago, we were very candid about the fact that our P3D products will be significantly more expensive than our FSX products.  This is true because we envision P3D as the home for our enterprise and professional products, in keeping with P3D's place in the enterprise market.  P3D is a growing, in-development platform that will be constantly changing and evolving to meet the needs of the professional simulation market.  With this in mind, it is thus not sufficient for PMDG to finish a product and simply toss it to the marketplace forever.  We will need to invest developer time and effort to continually adapt our P3D products to version changes, as well as adding new features as they come available in P3D.  This is a different approach than we use in FSX, and it is a different approach

than is used by most other developers whose products are targeted to the entertainment market only.  Use of developer time is an opportunity cost, and we must carefully weigh the value of placing a developer on one project as opposed to another.  These are economic considerations that must be dealt with because we envision our P3D product line as a constantly evolving, growing, professional development environment.  P3D is a professional tool targeted to professional and academic users and our P3D business model moves us in that direction.

Some have expressed concern about forward compatibility with LM version changes.  We have already indicated that our current product licensing will carry you through at least v3.x and x64bit conversion, which we anticipate taking place in v3.x... based on publicly available information.)  I am unable to predict what will happen beyond this, but at that point we are likely a good 2 years out and we will evaluate what is fair for the marketplace at that time.
Our enterprise and professional products on P3D will have significantly higher license costs ($1,800-$25,000+ based upon what is required) and our enterprise product line will also require the purchase of an annual maintenance contract.  This pricing is directly in line with the professional and enterprise software market and deals with the larger issues of certification cost, intellectual property licensing and liability mitigation.  Our intial plan for P3D included only these market sectors, but we recognize that there are many non-professional users interested in our products who are using P3D and thus we created a license/pricing bracket to meet the needs of those individuals without dilluting our professional and enterprise market.  

Some folks have been upset because they felt that we owed them a discount for purchasing the FSX version.  While we can all appreciate that desire for a healthy discount, i should point out that the promotional pricing being offered right now **is** a significant discount from the base list price that will go into effect on 08MAR15.  We felt that setting the price to match that paid by FSX users was the most fair way to approach the issue.

Apparently there are some folks who are upset that we should have given a very steep discount- and again- we can appreciate the desire for healthy price savings, but there really is no precedent for it in PMDG's market history.  We did not offer a discount for NGX customers who had owned our previous 737 in FS9, for example, and again P3D is an entirely and completely different platform with an entirely different purpose.  Some may recall that in 2007 we offered a very short, two week promotional pricing method (almost identical to the one currently being offered, by the way!) for customers who wished to upgrade from our FS9 747 to the FSX 747, but that program had a specific purpose, was unpopular and created very many problems for customers.

To give a different example:  Some of you know, Ryan got me hooked on the Battlefield franchise as a way to blow off steam with some of the members of our team.  I own Battlefield 4 on the PC...  I also own it on the Xbox...  I was not offered any promotional pricing even though I own both platforms.  This is the reality of the software licensing marketplace.  I know some people wish it were otherwise- but at PMDG we live within the reality of it all...

PMDG has always been on the high end of pricing in our marketplace, and we have always required individuals to purchase a new license when moving to a new platform.  While some felt that a discount was "owed" and have since accused us of "treating our customers badly" the reality is that we have always provided top tier products, complete-and-unhobbled products that do not require you to cherry pick functionality, and we have always provided continual, live support while also engaging with our customers directly and honestly in our forum.  I checked our support system today, and for 2014 our average reply-to time for customers requesting support was < 4:15.  We have three employees who's job it is to support customers directly and they do so on issues ranging from Windows to hardware, to FSX, to P3D and all of that is on top of providing support for our own products.  In addition to customer support, we strongly support the growth and completeness of our products with multiple free updates, hundreds and sometimes thousands of fixes, corrections and improvements because we care very much to deliver our customers the finest, no-excuses simulation available on the marketplace- and to that end I feel strongly that we succeed in this endeavor.

Speaking of our forum- we have had a number of folks come to the forum to vent their disappointment.  We have always allowed this in our forum and we continue to do so.  We do set some ground rules, however- and those ground rules have been in place since our first software product release in 1999.  We don't allow anyone to be unkind, we don't allow anyone to spread falsehoods, we don't allow anyone to be abusive and we don't allow anyone to troll.

Anyone who comes to the forum or our facebook page who wants to engage other simmers and/or us in factual, calm, respectful conversation is always welcome- even if we don't agree with you and even if your opinion is different than ours.  We cannot allow folks who simply wish to vent anger or troll/incite arguments to participate freely however as this diminishes the value of the forum for all others.

In short- I am sorry if our policies on pricing do not make everyone happy.  We have communicated them to you candidly for 18+ months- and we will continue to do so.  We continue to work on many great things for the simming community in FSX, P3D and Xplane- and we look forward to delivering these things to you!

I hope that helps with the understanding.  I'm sorry if some individuals feel that we have not done enough to support them, but we have always appreciated your support- and continue to do so- even if we don't all agree.

Robert S. Randazzo
Precision Manuals Development Group

Resumindo tudo: BURRO quem comprou esse 777 em tempos de PREPAR 3D V2. Fala sério!!!

"P3D is an entirely and completely different platform with an entirely different purpose."

Mas que mentiroso cara de pau hein. O prepar3d NÃO é uma plataforma integralmente e completamente diferente. Pode realmente ter outros propósitos também, porém dizer que é uma plataforma completamente diferente é uma mentira deslavada. Se não tem o que dizer é melhor ficar quieto, perderam a chance de ficar calado.

Na minha opinião ficou feio para a PMDG. Parecem aquelas pessoas que quando ganham dinheiro ficam mais gananciosas, querendo lucro acima de tudo, podendo passar por cima de qualquer um a qualquer custo, o cara é praticamente um político.

De certa forma vai ser bom assim, pois não irei comprar, uma vez que faço poucos voos longos. Ao invés de levar uma grana minha em um "upgrade purchase" da vida, vão levar exatamente 0.

Engraçado pois o GSX da FSDreamteam que comprei para o FSX funciona nativamente no P3D v2, assim como cenários da FlyTampa, Aerosoft, Tropicalsim, Taxi2gate, etc... e nenhum deles precisei de uma licença adicional. O REX paguei míseros $5 para liberar o acesso ao Prepar3d pois o meu era para o FSX até então. Aí chega a PMDG cheia de pompa achando que é a última bolacha do pacote. Ah vá.

Melhor maneira de fazer a PMDG realmente "rebolar" para colocar preço descente é os ignorando no momento. Esse valor por uma aeronave não pago nunca.

E o cara de pau vem comparar 737 ng do FS2004 com o NGX. Nesse caso sim, são add-ons completamente diferente justificando uma nova compra, mas o 777 abusaram!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quando falo em boicotar esses caras, vem uns e outros puxa saco que também ganham com isso (panelinha), me excomungar, fazem birrinha tirando "pontinhos"...fala sério!!!!!!!!!!! Não dependo e nem vivo de reputação pra ser feliz e curtir o hobby.